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Offline Rolken

Zizou proposal
« on: June 03, 2006, 06:12:38 pm »
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Jun 03 16:39:49 <Zizou_SCD> hi
Jun 03 16:39:56 <Rolken> asl
Jun 03 16:40:04 <Zizou_SCD> no
Jun 03 16:40:06 <Zizou_SCD> lol
Jun 03 16:40:18 <Rolken> wat
Jun 03 16:40:31 <Zizou_SCD> Let's put away the swords
Jun 03 16:40:56 <Rolken> but I like mine
Jun 03 16:41:36 <Zizou_SCD> sure you do
Jun 03 16:41:49 <Zizou_SCD> Now you can keep acting like an ass or actually try and solve this.
Jun 03 16:41:57 <Zizou_SCD> Im dont wanna waste my time
Jun 03 16:42:05 <Zizou_SCD> I*
Jun 03 16:42:13 <Rolken> is there something going on I don't know about?
Jun 03 16:42:51 <Zizou_SCD> no nothing bad something, but I have something to propose
Jun 03 16:43:04 <Zizou_SCD> But since you dont like me at all, especially as of now
Jun 03 16:43:13 <Zizou_SCD> I doubt that it would work
Jun 03 16:43:37 <Rolken> that's too bad :(
Jun 03 16:43:44 <Zizou_SCD> Indeed that is
Jun 03 16:43:53 <Zizou_SCD> But we, you and me can change that
Jun 03 16:44:52 <Zizou_SCD> so what do you say?
Jun 03 16:45:00 <Zizou_SCD> wanna be friends?
Jun 03 16:46:14 <Zizou_SCD> common man dont ignore me
Jun 03 16:46:20 <Rolken> I don't typically make friends through random PMs deciding to be friends :X
Jun 03 16:46:32 <Zizou_SCD> That's too bad
Jun 03 16:46:47 <Zizou_SCD> Anyways heres what I had in mind
Jun 03 16:47:03 <Zizou_SCD> what if we united?
Jun 03 16:47:31 <Rolken> hm?
Jun 03 16:48:18 <Rolken> tbh scd isn't really relevant to me
Jun 03 16:48:27 <Zizou_SCD> What we created the world's biggest SEGA Sonic Classic online gaming network
Jun 03 16:48:37 <Zizou_SCD> you can keep your part
Jun 03 16:48:53 <Zizou_SCD> listen before you make conclusions
Jun 03 16:49:35 <Zizou_SCD> sure we'd have indepent sites, along with other ones that we (SCD) will already have
Jun 03 16:50:00 <Zizou_SCD> such as radio, a flash studio, a game making team etc...
Jun 03 16:50:26 <Rolken> so er... what's the point?
Jun 03 16:50:26 <Zizou_SCD> but on top of it we would'nt name it TSC NET NOOB or SCD NOOB HOOKS
Jun 03 16:50:40 <Zizou_SCD> We'd give a new indepent name
Jun 03 16:50:55 <Zizou_SCD> the point is that with the support of both of our franchises
Jun 03 16:51:05 <Zizou_SCD> we could create something huge and active
Jun 03 16:51:21 <Zizou_SCD> and I cant do it without you, neither you can do it without me
Jun 03 16:51:56 <Rolken> but I don't want to create something huge and active.
Jun 03 16:52:02 <Zizou_SCD> exactly
Jun 03 16:52:04 <Zizou_SCD> you wont
Jun 03 16:52:13 <Rolken> er?
Jun 03 16:52:28 <Zizou_SCD> all you could be taking care of is TSC if you want
Jun 03 16:52:35 <Zizou_SCD> just like i'd be taking  care of SCD
Jun 03 16:52:43 <Zizou_SCD> and another operating the radio
Jun 03 16:52:46 <Zizou_SCD> and so on
Jun 03 16:53:14 <Rolken> so it'd be a huge network, only it'd be just like it is now?
Jun 03 16:53:48 <Zizou_SCD> basically
Jun 03 16:53:52 <Zizou_SCD> hmm
Jun 03 16:54:04 <Zizou_SCD> we'd all give each other a hand
Jun 03 16:54:17 <Zizou_SCD> for example
Jun 03 16:54:27 <Zizou_SCD> Sonic Olympics would no longer be mine, but ours
Jun 03 16:55:24 <Rolken> I guess basically I don't think you have anything to offer me or TSC.
Jun 03 16:55:41 <Zizou_SCD> How come?
Jun 03 16:56:11 <Rolken> we don't really want more traffic
Jun 03 16:56:18 <Rolken> and we're moving away from sonic
Jun 03 16:56:39 <Zizou_SCD> Then what is it that you want?
Jun 03 16:57:16 <Rolken> tbh I don't know XD
Jun 03 16:57:31 <Rolken> I'm used to just doing what we need myself.
Jun 03 16:57:59 <Rolken> and you're not really saying much tangible aside from the olympics thing :X
Jun 03 16:58:22 <Zizou_SCD> ok
Jun 03 16:58:34 <Rolken> we appreciate traffic from intelligent people
Jun 03 16:58:34 <Zizou_SCD> think of teh bigz TSS NET
Jun 03 16:58:47 <Rolken> but I don't hold pretty much any of the rest of the sonic community to be up to our standards :X
Jun 03 16:59:09 <Zizou_SCD> this isn't about the sonic cmmunity
Jun 03 16:59:27 <Zizou_SCD> its to create the biggest SEGA Gaming network
Jun 03 16:59:39 <Zizou_SCD> instead of having people always talk about playing games in their post
Jun 03 16:59:47 <Zizou_SCD> our goal would be to have them play them
Jun 03 16:59:52 <Zizou_SCD> which they will
Jun 03 17:00:06 <Zizou_SCD> because of the numerous great activities that we'd have
Jun 03 17:00:22 <Zizou_SCD> TSC's great online scoring database
Jun 03 17:00:32 <Zizou_SCD> SCD's online gaming servers
Jun 03 17:00:38 <Zizou_SCD> Emerald challenges and so on
Jun 03 17:01:07 <Rolken> eh
Jun 03 17:01:15 <Rolken> I'll talk to the TSC folks about it
Jun 03 17:01:24 <Rolken> but in the end I just don't think that's a vision I share
Jun 03 17:01:41 <Rolken> and tbh I don't feel you have enough to contribute
Jun 03 17:01:54 <Zizou_SCD> enough?
Jun 03 17:01:59 <Zizou_SCD> Dont you mean that we have more?
Jun 03 17:02:11 <Rolken> er... sure?
Jun 03 17:02:33 <Zizou_SCD> You;re not giving this a chance
Jun 03 17:02:44 <Zizou_SCD> and I'm not here to gobble you up or to kiss your ass
Jun 03 17:02:57 <Zizou_SCD> you are what you are and you do what you do
Jun 03 17:03:03 <Zizou_SCD> Which I respect
Jun 03 17:04:16 <Zizou_SCD> we're 2 very different communities, but both believe to play games and such:)
Jun 03 17:04:38 <Zizou_SCD> I would really like it if you considered this
Jun 03 17:04:42 <Zizou_SCD> dont shoot it down
Jun 03 17:05:16 <Rolken> I'll consider it.
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Re: Zizou proposal
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2006, 07:01:44 pm »
NO.


We shouldn't do this for the same reason we aren't CyberScore. It's not JUST about the gaming. It's also about the community and the communication of actual competitors. Teaming up with SCD would bring in more traffic than ever, which would strongly increase bandwidth costs and screw you in other ways (because you're getting all the n00b traffic from SCD, too).

We come to TSC not only to compete but to TALK about how we compete, share some secrets, and actually comment on what others do instead of JUST competing. The combination of competition and the discussion of the competition is what made us better than CyberScore in the first place and always better than them. TSC4 is enough to worry about now, which will make us even better. On the other hand, this little "proposal" is basically Zizou being a Jehovah's Witness. He begs you to change, but you won't, because you know that what you're doing is the right thing.

Consider another factor. Where will TSC4 go? There's plenty of hype already about that. With a SCD fusion, that goes down the toilet, because we are now related to TSS and SCD, which means we can only do Sonic. Of course, doing Sonic is never a bad thing, but TSC holding competitions for other games is probably a positive change for TSC's future. With all  the positive response about ideas like The Megaman Center and possibly more places like it, do you think it would be a good idea to throw it out to make this place a communitiless, n00bful place?


SCD is well known by us, anyway. There's no particular need for a fusion. Zizou just doesn't want us to compete against him, from what I see. He just wants his loyalists to know our strategies without us being credited, but rather his proposed "OUR" site as a whole, meaning about half of the credit is stolen from us and given to them. I am in direct opposition of the TSC/SCD fusion and proud of my opinion against it. It's really only the candy for them; we get fed the donkey shit instead.

EDIT: Ziz' sent me a chat message a while ago right when I was doing my chores. I would have loved to talk to him, but I had chores to do. Here's a word-by word full quote of what he said:


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<Zizou_SCD> hey
<Zizou_SCD> sup
<PsyBorg> ...?
<Zizou_SCD> I saw your post...
<PsyBorg> o rly
<Zizou_SCD> ya rly lol
<Zizou_SCD> anyways
<PsyBorg>i'm listening, but i have chores to do
<PsyBorg> just leave me a message here
<Zizou_SCD> this isnt about being part of TSS or to do  with them
<Zizou_SCD> this is to unite and create something new and better, maybe like a SEGA Classics Network or something
<Zizou_SCD> the goal is to expand
<Zizou_SCD> and strecth the horizons.  Sega isnt only Sonic.
<Zizou_SCD> so we could use our services from both sides to create something amazing
<Zizou_SCD> the roots would never be forgotten
<Zizou_SCD> and please dont spread the news of the proposal, keep it private.
<Zizou_SCD> well, thats all that I wanted to say

I think he wants to unite for reasons stated above, first off, so I'm wondering what his actual motives are. All of this seems suspicious to me, especially when you read the bolded message.
« Last Edit: June 03, 2006, 08:10:05 pm by PsyBorg »
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Re: Zizou proposal
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2006, 09:31:43 pm »
Im not even going to dignify this with a 'real' response
Did you not think I had a mind?

Offline Rolken

Re: Zizou proposal
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2006, 09:43:07 pm »
Long drama in IRC while I was away. I think it's safe to say this isn't going to happen. I'll have a longer writeup later... for now I play DQ8.
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Re: Zizou proposal
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2006, 05:09:42 pm »
First off, I love Dragon Warrior/Quest, screw you Rolk for I lack a PS2 so I can't play 8... :X and secondly, this is lol. I mean come on, they called us liers, cheaters, arrorgant asshole and now they want to join with us. wtf is this? I was out all yesterday so I missed the theatrics unfortunately, if someone can fill me in on everything I'd be much obligated. :X wow, just wow... :/
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Re: Zizou proposal
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2006, 07:52:19 am »
I do not even understand what Zizou is even trying to say... at any single point in that chatlog it is like lolwhat.

I love the way he seems to think we need SCD for something.

Also he talks about SCD being the biggest online SEGA gaming network as if that makes SCD big, important and worth taking note of. Thing is... who can name one other SEGA gaming network off the top of their head that SCD is bigger than? Uh huh. Being the biggest something is more impressive if there are enough smaller things to make you actually big.
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Re: Zizou proposal
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2006, 01:50:43 pm »
Pro:
  • Ending of silly arguments between TSC and SCD. I mean srsly.
  • Joint SO means we have a say in things, no?
  • More competition, to an extent. X)

Con:
  • Recent influx of n00bs to TSS will come here, along with their atrocious English. Or Engrish. Or Enlgish.
  • Founding principle doesn't work. D:
  • Hardly beneficial to me, since my firewall hates Kaillera. :/

Neutral Things:
  • Hits. I don't think more hits is a bad thing, at least as long as they come from the right kinds of people. (ie not cheaters or n00blets)

Advantage: Push. :/

I propose link exchange maybe. Because I'm all pro the lack of argument between us.

But let Ziz know: We only act like asses when we're joking around and such. Or at least I do. >_>
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Re: Zizou proposal
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2006, 06:13:37 pm »
I'm against the proposed fusion, especially how our own projects (new sub sites like TMC) are nearly complete. I'd write more but I have to get back to ToL and DQ8. (Finished KH2 with everything finished and beat Sephiroth without Second Chance.)
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